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- David Ingebretsen (dingebre@xmission.xmission.com) wrote:
- : : bargain. I don't know what systems you were pricing, but we have loaded
- : : 100mhz systems that cost around $4500.
-
- : I'll remind you here that to "migrate" not just buy a render engine, I
- : have to buy the other software, too. LightWave for the PC, Real3D for the
- : PC, a decent WP, decent DTP, accounting, and all the great special FX
- : software you mention below, plus a PAR so I can output, plus video editing
- : software/hardware, you get the point...
-
- Um, correct me if I'm wrong (I probably am),but doesn't the PAR go in the
- IBM slots on Amigas?
-
- Otherwise, a bunch of the usually desktop stuff can be had for around
- $100 (Word processing, spreadsheet/db manager, terminal program) from at
- least a couple of companies. You can get decent later. R3D may have a
- crossgrade policy, as may also be the case for LW, and some of the SFX
- SW ain't that expensive and is really powerful.
-
- While I've seen your claim clocked LW renders at only 3X a 33MHZ '040,
- our tests where I work seem more like 6-8X (you must have enough memory
- to compensate for memory-hog NT).
-
- The bottom line is that if you're a hobbyist, this kind of transition
- with a $4-5K pricetag doesn't make any sense. If you make your living
- this way, a slow machine is making your time a lot less valuable.
-
- But the longer you wait to change platforms, the cheaper and better the
- hardware, so hold out as long as you feel like it.
-
- : There will always be those jobs that can't be done. The old cliche
- : "quality, speed, low cost; pick any two" If I have a client with the
- : budget that is demanding it tomorrow, I'll probably be able to justify an
- : Alpha or some such.
-
- It also depends on where you live and what the competition is like.
-
-
- : Let's look at just adding a Pentium. $4500 for the Pentium and $1000 for
- : an additional copy of LightWave. That's still $5500 to get a system that
- : I've benchmarked at barely 3 times the speed of my 33Mhz 040?! I can
- : still add 2 accelerated 2000's for about the price of setting up a
- : Pentium rendering engine. And with 2 or three systems, I can be rendering
- : two or three projects, albeit slower, at the same time :)
-
- How did you do the benchmark? Do you have a Pentium 90+ that you know to
- be as well optimized as your Amiga? With adaquate memory? Perhaps an
- early release of LW on the PC? Your figure is definately way off.
-
-
- : Alpha AXP will have a longer useful life that the P90. Next week? month?
- : year? when the next generation Pentium comes out or the Power PC, will I
- : have to buy new hardware again to be "productive", I think not...
-
- About every 2 years by my reckoning. But the Pentium really is only half
- the speed of the Alpha, really. We've tried it. Maybe it helps that we
- have 64MB of memory, I don't know.
-
- : I don't quite remember saying it like that, but perhaps I did. It doesn't
- : make sense to me to dump an investment just becasue of an incremental
- : increase in productivity. Sure, the Pentium will be a big increase when
- : compared to a 16 Mhz 030 and I would not argue the merits of moving to a
-
- Using you 3X figure, a two day render turns into 6 days. That's not
- "incremental". A 20% increase is incremental not a 300% increase. You can
- either charge the same for work that renders in 30% of the time or charge
- more for work you couldn't have done in a reasonable amount of time
- before. Considering that the increase should really be more than 300%, I
- think you are arguing religion or rationalizing.
-
- On the other hand, if I were satisfied with the Amiga, I'd just wait and
- tune into this board to hear what people using it regularly are saying
- (converted Amiga -> PC users, that is). I switched a long time ago and
- mainly use Alias on the SGI, with occasional polygonal modeling forays on
- Lightwave with test renders. Prior to the NT version on our P90, we had a
- 16MB 33mhz 040 Amiga here. So maybe my experience isn't directly
- applicable. The render I get in 20 seconds is the same one I get in
- nearly 3 minutes on the Amiga.
-
- : Didn't Lee Stranahan have a quote "I am not a number"? Well, we all are
- : numbers to some degree. Mine just isn't P90 at this juncture. I may very
- : well change that tune when my Amiga goes up in a puff of blue smoke and I
- : am forced to consider different hardware.
-
- This would be a good time to actually keep logs on how much time you
- spend rendering, and whether you didn't do that extra render test that
- would have made the job perfect. And whether you had other jobs waiting
- before finishing the first. Getting a back log of clients is way harder
- than dropping $$$ on a new machine.
-
- Take care.
-
- : David M. Ingebretsen *** Binary Illusions / 3D Physics ***
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